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Atkins Diet.

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dolmadez
Apr. 30th, 2005 05:25 pm (UTC)
mmm...

caaaarbs.
aubkabob
Feb. 10th, 2006 12:27 am (UTC)
my brain and tongue says yes, but my body and blood sugar says noooo.
greenminions
Apr. 30th, 2005 05:32 pm (UTC)
ridiculous. Not applicable for vegetarians. Carbs give you energy, meat can lead to heart disease.
dolmadez
Apr. 30th, 2005 06:23 pm (UTC)
I hear ya.
I'm vegan.
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birdofparadox
Apr. 30th, 2005 05:39 pm (UTC)
I am enjoying great results with South Beach, which doesn't treat carbs as the enemy, but rather simple carbohydrates (white bread, processed sugars) as the killer in our diets.

I've lost about 25 lbs so far just on South Beach, and while the first two weeks (a lot like Atkins, though with far less fat and far more veggies) are hell, it becomes rather reasonable and *gasp* a healthy way to live/eat.

My doctor actually recommended South Beach for me, because she does not like the carbs-are-bad philosophy, and the high fat involved in Atkins worries her.
aubkabob
Jan. 26th, 2006 05:08 am (UTC)
back when i first started my original livejournal, my doctor swore up and down on one hand that i couldn't even eat complex carbs because of how tenuous my blood sugar level was, and how even if i ate grains how it would contribute to diabetes later on in life, but then told me that i should steer away from atkins, and instead do the Zone diet (somewhat of the same thing.)

i dropped 40 lbs on an atkinsy diet between april and october of last year. now that i'm NOT doing it, i feel really sluggish (although i haven't really put weight back on, more than say.. 5 or so lbs.) and am not sleeping nearly as good. you would think that with as wonderful and healthy as i felt eating meat and veggies only, that it would help to motivate me to keep eating only those.

but no.

course, right now, i'm so freaking broke that when i'm out and about for my howevermanyhours of the day, that i can only afford to get what's on the $1 menu at places i eat.
bigstusexy
Apr. 30th, 2005 05:40 pm (UTC)
Perhaps a bit off of the scope of this discussion but I believe all diets are bad.

The fact is that one must change their eating habbits throughout. It is not enough to eat a certain way for a period of time. wrather it works or not its what you do from then on.
aubkabob
Nov. 16th, 2005 02:46 am (UTC)
that's pretty much my feeling on the matter. i had dove full head into the atkins diet because a) i was sick of feeling like crap all the time and having my joints ache because i weighed too much and b) diabetes runs rampant in my family, and the healthy version of atkins is pretty much identical to what doctors want you to eat when you're diabetic, or pre diabetic (which is what i am.)

i just really need to stop eating crap all of the time. i feel SO much better when i don't have any refined sugars or grains in my body. i sleep so much better, etc. i'm thankful that i was able to drop approximately 40 lbs and keep it off, although i haven't been eating the healthier lifestyle type foods for the last month or two. (my excuse? it's the holidays!!!)
faetal
Apr. 30th, 2005 05:44 pm (UTC)
it is said that before man made machinery to refine all of the wonderful grains that grew on the earth, that man ate a less carbohydrates. There was meat, and there was beautiful vegetables, whole milk from cows, whole unrefined grains. etc. Life was simpler and not full of refined flours, sugar saturated twinkie puffs. And people were healthier.

I've always hated the Atkins people, the idea that they could snack on bacon and still lose weight was just too much to bear. However, knowing that not all atkins people eat bacon cheeseburgers no bun is helpful. Also I know that while lazy people can lose weight on the Atkins, that they have to keep it up to keep it off.


tefen
Apr. 30th, 2005 06:24 pm (UTC)
And man did not ride around in the car, get his food at the store, and watch TV for entertainment.

My guess is that people were far more active also.
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jenniffer
Apr. 30th, 2005 05:55 pm (UTC)
Horrible
It is never EVER healthy to starve your body of one food group or another. We can eat and digest them all because we're supposed to, a combination of all food groups is what we need to survive. And then what happens when you do acctually eat something forbidden by the diet? One of two things, your body latches on to it for all it's worth (most common - resulting in very rapid weight gain) or it rejects it and you get really sick. Eigther way, not normal.

What really needs to be done is people need to start eating in portions and excersizing. I mean think of it....how normal can it be when someone says to you "I ate 15 steaks today and lost 8 pounds!"

and um...Adkins himself? Well, the family refuses to release his exact cause of death...and also worked hard to stop the autopsy before it could be fully completed....but....On February 10, 2004, The Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the New York City Medical Examiner's report on Atkins' death. The report indicated that Atkins weighed 258 pounds at his death, making the diet-guru clinically obese, and that he had a history of heart disease, congestive heart failure, and hypertension.

So....it's a mystery really...

go here to read a good article...
http://www.pritikin.com/eperspective/specialissues/pritikinatkins/
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aubkabob
Apr. 30th, 2005 06:41 pm (UTC)
that's pretty much my opinion on the matter. back when i was SEVERELY hypoglycemic, i was so susceptible to 'loose carbs' that even eating a saltine cracker made me quite ill. i didn't eat sugar or refined products at all, and on the occasions where i was actually stupid enough to treat myself, i definitely paid for it a half hour later, when my blood sugar was sent into a tizzy. so basically, more or less, i lived the whole low carb lifestyle before it became in style to do so. i didn't gourge myself on meats and bacon, just ate a lot of salads and such. and i never felt better, was never thinner, and my moods totally evened out and a lot of other weird things that you wouldn't think would be tied to blood sugar.

i remember going in to talk to my doctor during an exam, and i told him proudly that i had dumped all simple carbs out of my diet, and was only using yeastless bread and brown rice and stuff like that, and he still freaked out on me, saying that was entirely too much for my delicate system to handle, that i needed to avoid all foods like that (mainly grains) in order to help stave off diabetes, since it runs in my family, and i was technically in the early stages of it by having severely low blood sugar (for anyone that knows the lvls, i would be at about 59 or so for resting. after eating sugar, my blood sugar would jack up to about 100, then drop to about 49 or lower, where i would feel so ill and shaky and confused and clammy that i felt like i would pass out.)

i don't know why i was suddenly miraculously able to eat sugar and all sorts of stuff like that again. but i know that i need to change something in order to feel better. this being massively overweight can't be helping other health issues, besides just diabetes.

hee hee sorry for the large response ;)
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way2tired
Apr. 30th, 2005 06:37 pm (UTC)
just cut calories
I've cut myself back about 2000 cals a day (down to about 2500). I've dropped 7 pounds!
aubkabob
Apr. 24th, 2006 04:58 am (UTC)
Re: just cut calories
i don't think that i have the patience to count calories. in fact, towards the end of the counting carbs, i ended up just paying attention to what i could and could not eat, and eating what i could, nevermind the amount.

and then halloween came with all its yumminess.
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theanonymousx
Apr. 30th, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC)
Atkins
I was on this diet once before, and although I lost a goodly 20lbs, it was not worth it as I gained it all back shortly afterwards. Basically, the idea is that you cut out ALL carbs for a few weeks at the beginning of the diet then cut WAY back on all other carbs for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. This means, for the first few weeks, no: bread, veggies, fruit, candy, sweets, pastries or beans. Myself, I'm happy sitting down with grilled salmon and a bag of spinach, but on the Atkins diet you just can't do that.

The first week, you'll GAIN weight since you're eating a ton more fat and such (Bacon burgers w/o bread is a GOOD thing on this diet). After that, you'll lose weight but you have NO energy. Case in point, at the gym once, I was doing cardio and I sorta blacked out on the ellitpical cross-trainer.
But what about the 20lbs I lost? Well, you WILL lose weight on the Atkins diet, but "diet" is a serious misnomer as implies that it's a temporary change (I know "diet" doesn't necessarily mean this, but it is implied here) of eating habits. Not so, the Atkins diet is a complete lifestyle change and as soon as you incorporate fruit and breads back into your diet you'll gain all the weight back with extra.

Oh, and on top of that...think about this...On the Atkins diet, you can't have carbs for 2 weeks. Fiber is a carb (check out your bean and spinach can/package) and if you go 2 weeks without eating any fiber you'll...uh..become quite irregular. I can say, with all honesty, that there was a NINE-DAY interval when I didn't need to use the restroom at all for a "fiber removal" process.
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oatmeal
Apr. 30th, 2005 08:10 pm (UTC)
not quite as useful as going vegan, which is the ultimate healthy nutrition plan, but I do know someone who seriously stabilized her weight and !cleared up a lifelong skin condition! by going Atkins. I think there are probably different body-types for which different diets are or are not appropriate.
aubkabob
Feb. 25th, 2006 04:42 am (UTC)
i had ended up doing it for 9 months and dropped 40 lbs. i went off of it for the holidays (being the pumpkin fiend that i am...). after the first of the year, i started on it again and had dropped the 10 lbs i had put back on, but after a week of it, i realized i was eating basically only cheeseburgers without the bun and beef jerkey, having no money/time to go buy any REAL food, i.e. vegetables. i'm waiting for my hours to pick up again and bills to get back caught up on after the downtime so that i can make sure to do it CORRECTLY and healthily.

not that eating cookies is healthy, but yanno....

i've always had bloodsugar problems (well, for 6 or 7 years, anyway.) and diabetes runs rampant in my family, so it's best for me to eat a general low-carb diet anyway.

not to mention that i SO miss how great i slept and how much freaking natural energy i had all the time!
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norsican
May. 1st, 2005 12:29 am (UTC)
Bad.

Every person I've known on Atkins has had their doctor FREAK OUT about it...because it's really unhealthy! Plus, the initial weight you lose will come back.

Southbeach is a better-balanced diet, if you have to choose one.
amade
May. 1st, 2005 04:03 am (UTC)
Um, gee. I'm guessing you've never talked to a doctor dealing with someone with syndrome x or other endocrine/insulin problems.
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niggarican
May. 1st, 2005 01:13 am (UTC)
the dumbest thing in the world.. you have these nutballs that take it too an extreme. and cut out carbs comp from your diet.

you can cut down on them... but not cut them 100% from your diet.

i hate the atkins diet with a passion... just plain stupid
amade
May. 1st, 2005 04:10 am (UTC)
Well, I have very personal experience with this, since this is how I am going to be eating the REST OF MY FUCKING LIFE. And this is coming from NYC's best medical professionals, heh. 90% of the people who diss this have absolutely no clue what's going on with the diet, and I use the term "diet" loosely because it's really just a change in the way you eat, not so much a diet. The less processed carbs you eat, and the more veggies and complex carbs you eat, the healthier you are.

When people go off without knowing what the hell they're talking about, it really touches a nerve, heh.

If you'd like to know what my endocrinologists and such suggested, you're welcome to chat with me in private - don't really feel like going into much detail publically.
aubkabob
Feb. 18th, 2006 06:36 am (UTC)
i would still like to discuss this with you eventually! i'm with you on the entire thing. i stupidly went off the 'diet' for the holidays, and then hours were cut too badly at work, and i just can't afford to buy my own groceries at the moment, so...

and i had made this post at about 230 lbs right around the day that i had started the diet, and ended up at 190 in october and feeling like a million bucks. thankfully, after all i've INHALED since then, i am still at only around 197, but i just don't have that same... OOMPF that i did while doing it devotedly.

and i've noticed, too, that whenever i read HORRIBLE idiotic misconceptions that people have and uneducated conclusions that they jump to, i freak out now, too. like someone somewhere that said that they couldn't support a diet that said you could eat melted butter mixed with sugar. well... neither would i.

grr.
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aubkabob
Feb. 17th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
i miss it greatly, i don't feel healthy without it now. i had started fully on it again, but then realizd that i had zero money for healthy food in order to do it right, and was living off of beef jerky and cheeseburgers with no bun, which is NOT the good way to do it.
belenen
May. 1st, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)
Go here: http://www.illwillpress.com/vault.html
click on "fatkins diet" in the bottom left corner.

There's your dicsussion. ;-)
aubkabob
Oct. 15th, 2005 07:22 pm (UTC)
i ended up doing something atkinsy, though healthier than what is advertised. in reading up on what was allowed and what wasn't, it pretty much fit my hypoglycemic/diabetes diet to a 't', if a bit more strict.

though i have been slipping from it immensely lately, which has caused me to feel bloated, lethargic, and moody. (i had forgotten how much sugar would effect my moods in the past!) it's so much harder to keep to my old diet when you live with a brother that lives off of mac and cheese and cookies (my FAVORITE... soft... coooookies... *dies*).

though i've at least maintained my 195ish weight for 3 months now, even after going off the diet off and on. and i tell you, that 35 lbs. off? holy moly, i sleep better, my joints don't ache after an 8 hour shift anymore (or even after one of the days where i work two jobs!), i can jog occasionally, even my personality has improved, methinks, as i've noticed that i'm more animated now than i was back in april, before i started it.
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