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Nov. 17th, 2002

watching the greatest howevermany best love songs of all time on vh1, somethign that i had pondered over for a long while struck me:

i find it truly annoying, as a musician, that so very many of the most popular singers out there never wrote their own music.

i mean, here i am, guitar in hand, wrackign my brain for something ANYTHING that resembles music to come out, so that i can get all the creative juices that have been floating around in my brain to finally explode in a blinding flash of brilliance.

... yet nothing does.

then i see how people like leann rymes and barry manilow and vanessa williams and all these other people that are uber famous just parrot songs given to them, and blammo, they have music (and in some cases, film) carreers.

gah.

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allisunclaimed
Nov. 17th, 2002 11:19 am (UTC)
Unfortunately we both know in the music biz...it's not what you know, it's who you know...politics as usual!
aubkabob
Nov. 20th, 2002 05:47 pm (UTC)
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*nod* i agree.

i guess you use your talents where you can.
tenaciousg
Nov. 17th, 2002 11:48 am (UTC)
sister christian!

sister christian!

sister christian!
aubkabob
Nov. 20th, 2002 05:48 pm (UTC)
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lol! that song came out when i was 8, and we had just moved to kansas from iowa. i remember playing in the back yard of the girl across the street from us, and hearing that song, and van halen's jump a lot.
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geminigirl
Nov. 17th, 2002 12:46 pm (UTC)
I'm confused. Barry Manilow actually writes/wrote a lot of his own stuff, only it looked like you said he didn't. He also wrote a bunch of jingles, too.

(He and my mom were friends many many years ago-back when he still played piano in bars, pre-Bette Middler, etc.) He used to write music with a woman named Adrienne, who's last name is escaping me at the moment. My Mom had a beagle named Tsuris, and he used to come over to hang out with my Mom's dog and play the piano.)

aubkabob
Nov. 24th, 2002 11:35 am (UTC)
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i'm sorry... i had inadvertantly lumped barry manilow in there, because i was watching a mini interview on vh1 with him, and he was saying how someone gave him the song 'mandy' to record, and how happy he was because of it...

that's pretty cool about him and your mom, though!
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a_running_dog
Nov. 17th, 2002 12:49 pm (UTC)
Au Contraire?
It's interesting to hear you say that. I'm not disagreeing with you per se but I'm going to look at the opposite perspective.

I've heard certain critics lament the state of musical affairs started by the Beatles and Bob Dylan (in particular). Before those two groups/artists emerged you had a strong base of professional songwriting teams (mostly in NYC) that provided material to artists (e.g., Bacharach/David, Goffin/King, Barry/Greenwich, Mann/Weil, etc.) While the Beatles and Dylan were top-notch artists their success convinced many other artists that they could/should write their own material. While a great many artists proved up to the task others failed miserably. I'm surprised at how much 'alterna-crap' is produced today. Many of those artists produce albums full of material that sounds the same. A number of those artists wouldn't know a hook if it hit them in the face.

In the case of individual singer-types many of them have interpretive talent. For example Otis Redding wrote "Respect" and had a minor hit with it. However Aretha Franklin covered it and had a monster hit because her version was filled with passion and a new slant (what was a previously a song about a guy ragging on his woman became a feminist anthem).

I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong. Diane Warren is by the far the biggest hit songwriter of the past fifteen years and most of her songs are bland as hell.
aubkabob
Nov. 24th, 2002 11:38 am (UTC)
Re: Au Contraire?
i can certainly see both sides of the spectrum... i mean, i certainly can't look like, nor dance like, britney spears or christina aguilara...

i guess it irks me when ... i dunno... just certain things about it irk me, but usually only when i'm faced with a brick wall blocking me from what i'm capable of, and what i'm capable of RIGHT NOW.
wildkard
Nov. 17th, 2002 03:36 pm (UTC)
The reason is that fans, those listening to the music only see the end result. For that reason, the MTV generation really only cares about the end result. Who needs to be bothered with the creative process and the trouble that [random music artist] had coming up with the words to say what they wanted and how they spent 4 years getting the song just right? That's for VH1... a look back AFTER success.

During that success, it's all about showmanship and performing the songs properly. Where those songs actually come from is a matter for behind closed doors right?
wildkard
Nov. 17th, 2002 03:37 pm (UTC)
On a personal note, I have the exact opposite problem as you I think. I can write lyrics and come up with music; but I can't perform or sing. >_
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bono_macphisto
Nov. 17th, 2002 03:50 pm (UTC)
ooh, don't get me started on that subject!

believe me, i know how it feels. i have been feeling the signs that another burst of creativity is coming back (wrote 3 good songs in the last one) so I'm psyching myself up for it.
aubkabob
Nov. 25th, 2002 05:19 pm (UTC)
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i was sorta surprised the slight animosity that this post produced *shrug* i also knew that, being in my boat, you would feel my frustration on the matter.

i can also now see the other side of the coin. lessay that quasimodo or the elephant man has the gift of song.. .. regarding WRITING, that is. lessay neither can sing.. or, lessay that one can sing, the other couldn't carry a tune with a forklift. either way, the public isn't really going to want to LOOK at either... nor hear one of them sing...

i guess it all boils down to one finding one's own place in the world..
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aubkabob
Nov. 25th, 2002 05:25 pm (UTC)
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i guess to each their own...

*sigh*

i guess i was angry because of watching that on t.v. and suffering from all this writers block that i had been experiencing lately...
alicenwndrln
Nov. 18th, 2002 02:43 pm (UTC)
I understand why people feel this way. But I disagree. I mean, I have singing talent...but I can't write music to save my life...can't even play any. Can barely plink on the piano. I am horrible with poetry & that kind of thing....me writing a song would be a joke. Likewise, there are people who are GREAT songwriters but NOT good performers. What a great exchange! You write me a great song, I will perform it great! Also, as an actor, should I only be able to perform things *I* write? I mean...that's what screenwriters get paid to do...write scripts. And then actors get paid to perform them, make the scripts come to life. Same thing with music. A songwriter gets paid to write the song...the singer brings it to life. I admire & respect those who can do it all....write, sing, AND play their own instruments. But not everyone is THAT gifted....but they can still be deserving of success.
aubkabob
Nov. 25th, 2002 05:33 pm (UTC)
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i guess i was just frustrated at the time i posted this because i was suffering for my art, so to speak, in that i feel the need to write more that our main songwriter is out of the band, and frustrated because there seems to be a freaking brick wall between me and my creative imagination..

bleh.

i can certainly see both sides of the spectrum now...
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